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US-style pledge of allegiance in British schools?
« on: June 22, 2010, 10:44:04 »

Should British schools have a US-style pledge of allegiance at the beginning of the school day for every single pupil?

I admit that at first I used to think the practice, as it is done in America, was silly and authoritarian to a degree. But with an increasingly multicultural society perhaps it would help assimilate the children of foreign parents or parents of a different culture?

The parents might be a lost cause but we can get at the kids through education and solve our problems for the next generation.

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« Last Edit: June 22, 2010, 10:45:48 by Cymru »  

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US-style pledge of allegiance in British schools?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2010, 00:41:04 »

Why do that when the government has no allegiance to the people ?
 

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2010, 09:39:01 »

Why is empty mouthing of a learnt by rote pledge of allegiance any better than no pledge at all?
 
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2010, 12:43:10 »

Didnt we all used to say the Lords Prayer in the morning;until someone pointed at little Ahmed and said 'it aint fair i tell you',after which,no more prayers.

There should be some kind of pladge or suchlike,more for the point of discipline than anything else.
 
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US-style pledge of allegiance in British schools?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2010, 13:18:57 »

Didnt we all used to say the Lords Prayer in the morning;until someone pointed at little Ahmed and said 'it aint fair i tell you',after which,no more prayers.

There should be some kind of pladge or suchlike,more for the point of discipline than anything else.

I used to say the Lord's prayer at my school.

One of my fellow pupils was a Jehovah's or a Jew and so always sat away from the other pupils with another teacher whilst the rest of us said the prayer.
 
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2010, 17:23:45 »

Why is empty mouthing of a learnt by rote pledge of allegiance any better than no pledge at all?
Because it carries the weight of the law behind it,just like the officials sectets act. Its a verbal signing on the dotted line.
 

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US-style pledge of allegiance in British schools?
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2010, 22:21:02 »

The whole POINT of 'multiculturalism' is to deny a common identity.

When I say this, I don't mean to imply some sort of conspiracy. (though I could argue that the introduction of the term into common usage most certainly IS. )

I am addressing the core MEANING of the word. Something that nobody noticed when the Cultural Marxists trotted the term out.

If you abandon Integration (anyone remember that ? ) and adopt the idea of "Multiple Cultures", then obviously any concept of a 'common identity' is negated.

Anyway, at a practical level, the whole topic is jejune. Asking someone to recite a pledge of alliegance would be contrary to their "Human Rights" under the European Council act. At the phillisophical level, precisely WHAT - in a multicultural society - would we be pledging alliegance TO ?

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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2010, 22:33:20 »

The English, the English, the English are best

I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest.

The rottenest bits of these islands of ours

We’ve left in the hands of three unfriendly powers

Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot

You’ll find he’s a stinker, as likely as not.

The Scotsman is mean, as we’re all well aware

And bony and blotchy and covered with hair

He eats salty porridge, he works all the day

And he hasn’t got bishops to show him the way!

The English, the English, the English are best

I wouldn’t give tuppence for all of the rest.

The Irishman now our contempt is beneath

He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth

He blows up policemen, or so I have heard

And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third!

The English are noble, the English are nice,

And worth any other at double the price


The Welshman’s dishonest and cheats when he can

And little and dark, more like monkey than man

He works underground with a lamp in his hat

And he sings far too loud, far too often, and flat!

And crossing the Channel, one cannot say much

Of French and the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch

The Germans are German, the Russians are red,

And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed!

The English are moral, the English are good

And clever and modest and misunderstood.

And all the world over, each nation’s the same

They’ve simply no notion of playing the game

They argue with umpires, they cheer when they’ve won

And they practice beforehand which ruins the fun!

The English, the English, the English are best

So up with the English and down with the rest.

It’s not that they’re wicked or natuarally bad

It’s knowing they’re foreign that makes them so mad!


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US-style pledge of allegiance in British schools?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2010, 22:33:23 »

Well i am not interested in Multiculturalism, frankly if i have to loose my identity..Who would? And who says that we Must abide by this Multiculturalism sxxt! Roll Eyes Cry

Same as that Nerval, they can bring Martians in if they so wish, it won't change me or my outlook on life, Rich I am and Rich I will remain, but most of all, I will always be a true patriotic Brit who loves and respects his Queen.

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